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Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Chris — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:09:08 -0000

You guys are pitiful. Obama sounded like a buffoon and you guys are trying to find ANYTHING that will distract people from that fact.
Obama was even given some questions ahead of time that McCain wasn't, but McCain still blew Obama out of the water.
To a liberal's way of thinking:
Obama looked bad, McCain must have done something wrong/illegal.
You guys are just sad.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

bassman — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:43:53 -0000

You are a disingenuous fool to even imply that McCain has any oratory skills.
He is a bumbling fool just like George Bush. If he didn't have Neo-con Joe Lie-bermen at his side to fix his mis-statements all the time he would look even more foolish than he does. Besides, this counrty does not need another hot shot cowboy pilot with a reputation of being a party animal in the Whitehouse again.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

bassman — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:14:21 -0000

If this event were truly on the up and up, both candidates should have been on the stage together first, introduced to the audience, had the coin toss in front of the audience and then one of them be sequestered. This was a staged event right out of the gate intentionally done this way to try to embarrass Obama and to try to make McCain, the forgetful and clueless fool that he is, look better in the eyes of a group of people who don't really believe he is a true conservative. Rick
Warren should appologize for the deception, but like the Republi-con administration he supports that refuses to ever admit to making mistakes or any wrong doing, he won't I'm sure.
What the radical right wing needs to contemplate, that already are suspicious of McCain is if he would break a pledge to them on some miniscule event, how can they believe his words on the events that will effect their every day lives, even their security.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Rita5650 — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:20:21 -0000

McCain had to have information about the questions because in one case He said yea I want to answer the one about the Supreme… when that was not the question he was asked. That question was to come later. Warren’s says, looking at his notes, “yea I want to ask you about that but that’s later. How did McCain know he was even going to ask about the Supreme Court.
Police Detectives call that “jumping the questions“, that is how they can tell if criminals and witnesses are talking to each other when they are told not to. It is like the detectives have 15 questions they ask the first guy and then tell him not to talk to anyone. Then the next day they talk to guy #2 and he answers both #3 and # 6 questions for question #2. That is how they can tell if they are lying. I saw this on that show “the First 48 hours”.
So McCain is a liar and did break the rules.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:57:50 -0000

"Iorisc: You've proven nothing, and your facts aren't facts but fantasies. Now go back to the headlines that agree with your policies."

The only fantasies here are yours based on biased news articles that leave out key details and come to conclusions not supported by the sources they cite. Again, just read the reports that all of your news stories are based on and if you are honest with yourself, you will find a whole different set of facts that indeed prove most of our pre-war suspicions were true. I've even made it really easy for you by providing the key facts from these reports that backup my points. Oddly, you only focus on the news articles that support your position rather than the reports themselves. Funny that.

"I do have to agree that you won't find me watching the same news and and reading the same sites you read. I can't stomach Fox or Rush."

Unlink you, I don't need others to think for me. For your information, all of the facts I provided were researched on my own without the help of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh. You do flatter me, though. Thanks for that.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

lorisc — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:33:24 -0000

You've proven nothing, and your facts aren't facts but fantasies. Now go back to the headlines that agree with your policies. I do have to agree that you won't find me watching the same news and and reading the same sites you read. I can't stomach Fox or Rush.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:52 -0000

"Iorisc: I just want to know who made you God? How is it you decide who has blood on their hands? "

I didn't decide, you did when you decided to support the killing of innocent babies.

"Iorisc: So, you say that wmd's were found in Iraq. Why didn't we har about it? Because it isn't true.."

You didn't hear about it because you read the headlines that agreed with your politics and moved on instead of reading the actual reports. That's what happens when you let others think for you instead of thinking for yourself. The quotes I provided above are from the actual report minus the editorial liberties found in the articles you provided. You simply won't dispute what's in the reports because you can't.

"Iorisc: So, I guess if those of us who are pro choice have the blood of unborn babies on our hands because we support politicians who are pro choice, you have the blood of thousands of Iraqi's on your hands because you support politicians who invade countries based on made up reasons later shown to be lies. Fair is fair, right?"

The two aren't mutually exclusive as I have thoroughly proven at this point. At least, you can now admit you have blood on your hands by supporting pro-choice candidates.

As I said before, all of this repeating myself to someone who is clearly intellectually corrupt and unreasonable is getting tiresome. If you want to dispute the facts I've laid out, feel free. Otherwise, I will be ignoring you just as you have ignored the facts.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

lorisc — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:12:27 -0000

Anonymous,
I just want to know who made you God? How is it you decide who has blood on their hands?

So, you say that wmd's were found in Iraq. Why didn't we har about it? Because it isn't true..

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchi...

As far as what the ISG found:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/...

As far as Saddam and al Qaeda:
http://www.washingtonpost.c...
and
http://edition.cnn.com/2008...

Tell me again that Iraq was a just and legal war. So, I guess if those of us who are pro choice have the blood of unborn babies on our hands because we support politicians who are pro choice, you have the blood of thousands of Iraqi's on your hands because you support politicians who invade countries based on made up reasons later shown to be lies. Fair is fair, right?

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:32:49 -0000

"Iorisc: So, tell me again how I have anyone's blood on my hands."

When you support law-makers, like Obama, that in-turn support keeping legal the killing of innocent babies, you have baby blood on your hands. You think you are getting away with not having that on you conscience because you are just supporting the "choice" not the actual act, but I'll remind you that one of the two "choices" you are supporting is death to an innocent child. Again, it wouldn't be a choice, if there was only one option. No matter how hard you try, you can't escape the fact that at least some of the time you pro-choicers support abortion.

"Iorisc: I guess you are the only one who knows about the illegal WMD's since there were none."

Just me and the Iraq Survey Group. Included below is a non-exhaustive list of what they found post-war. Indeed Saddam did have the illegal WMD and programs that he said he didn't. Only foolish liberals like yourself would believe a dictator.

"ISG found a limited number of post-1995 activities that would have aided the reconstitution of the nuclear weapons program once sanctions were lifted."

"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991."

"ISG uncovered information that the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) maintained throughout 1991 to 2003 a set of undeclared covert laboratories to research and test various chemicals and poisons, primarily for intelligence operations."

"ISG judges that in 1991 and 1992, Iraq appears to have destroyed its undeclared stocks of BW weapons and probably destroyed remaining holdings of bulk BW agent. However ISG lacks evidence to document complete destruction. Iraq retained some BW-related seed stocks until their discovery after Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF)."

"The IIS had a series of laboratories that conducted biological work including research into BW agents for assassination purposes until the mid-1990s. ISG has not been able to establish the scope and nature of the work at these laboratories or determine whether any of the work was related to military development of BW agent."

"From 1999 until he was deposed in April 2003, Saddam’s conventional weapons and WMD-related procurement programs steadily grew in scale, variety, and efficiency."

"Iorisc: Al-Queda wasn't in Iraq before the war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11."

Iraq supported al-Qaeda. Please see the following excerpts from the Iraq Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism and the 9/11 Commission Report.

9/11 Commission Report:

"There is also evidence that around this time (March 1997) Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation."

"In March 1998, after Bin Ladin's public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence."

"In July (1998), an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin."

"Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 . . . Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq."

Iraq Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism Report:

" . . . the regime was willing to co-opt or support organizations it knew to be part of al Qaeda--as long as the organization's near-term goals supported Saddam's long-term vision."

"Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri) or that generally shared al Qaeda's stated goals and objectives."

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

lorisc — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:13:23 -0000

Spew your hate at someone else. Just because you think that since I am pro choice I have the blood of babies on my hands doesn't make it so. I have:
1. Never had an abortion
2. Never encouraged anyone to have one
3. When confronted with the issue recently in my own family, encouraged that person not to have one.

So, tell me again how I have anyone's blood on my hands.

You need to go back into your Rush Limbaugh, Faux News world because you are never going to be able to convince anyone with half a brain that Iraq was a war fought for just reasons. I guess you are the only one who knows about the illegal WMD's since there were none. Your conclusions differ from the conclusions of the UN inspectors. Al-Queda wasn't in Iraq before the war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq was a sovereign country that posed not threat to us. The real threat was bin-Laden in Afghanistan. Way to pull bs out of nowhere.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:55:28 -0000

"Iorisc: Do those of us who are pro choice have the blood of babies on our hands even though we have and never would have an abortion?"

Again, a resounding yes. Those that are pro-choice, are pro-abortion some of the time whether they like it or not. It wouldn't be much of a "choice" otherwise, now would it? Therefore, they have dead baby blood on their hands in the cases where the mother "chose" to abort. I don't know how many ways I have to say the same thing to get you to understand, but I'm quickly loosing patience.

"Iorisc: Is war always waged to preserve life and foster peace?"

Of course not, but contrary to many liberals in this country, that has always been the aim of the US when it fights wars.

"Iorisc: How can you even say that?"

I didn't. Stop making assumptions and putting words in my mouth.

If one thought the war in Iraq was unjust, then a comparison might be able to be made to abortion, but of course the Iraq war was just. Post-war we found that Saddam continued to grow his WMD programs, we found small amounts of illegal WMD, and Iraq did indeed support al-Qaeda as well as several other international Islamic terrorist groups.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

lorisc — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:28:19 -0000

Anonymous,
Just because you spew your talking points doesn't mean they are true. Also, I don't need any lesson from you. I think I know enough about anatomy, but I fail to see how Obama has the blood of babies on his hands. Do those of us who are pro choice have the blood of babies on our hands even though we have and never would have an abortion? Are we responsbile for a law that has been in existence for 35 years?

Let's go back to war and the killing of civilians including those babies you want to protect from abortion and not bombs. Is war always waged to preserve life and foster peace? How can you even say that? How convenient for you to decide that war is always for good and there is no other reason for war. I am sure you excuse Bush and Co for the lies told to get us into the Iraq War. I am sorry but their hands have blood on them. They lied to fight an illegal war.

Who is unreasonable? I give you some war statistics and you back it up with your beliefs. They are just that, your beliefs. I happen to find your beliefs unreasonable. You are right I don't understand you. But then I hope I never do.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:36:18 -0000

I think you need a lesson in human reproduction and anatomy, among other things, but Obama can't have babies. He's a male, and males can't have babies. The baby blood on his hands comes from his continued support of abortion and partial-birth abortion as related to law. As a law-maker, he has partial power to make illegal the slaughter of these innocent babies. I've made this very clear in my previous comment, if you would have payed attention.

And, I already pointed out the difference between abortion and casualties of war, but I will make it even more clear for you since you seem to be having trouble grasping the concept. In most cases, the motivation for abortion is pure selfishness whereas the motivation for war is the preservation of life and the fostering of peace. Both are on quite the opposite sides of the spectrum for most reasonable people. Although, I don't expect you to understand as you have proven quite unreasonable already. Maybe you will surprise me.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Realist — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:29:23 -0000

1. Both candidates were given the first two questions (Obama actually had the first 3, he said so during the questioning), as well as all of the themes Warren wanted to cover. There should have been zero mystery as to what the lines of questioning would be. I didn't even have to look into my crystal ball. What possible advantage could there have been?
2. Did the Obama campaign not know that McCain wasn't there yet? (Didn't they notice the conspicuous absence of said motorcade?) If they're so concerned about cheating in such a manner, why did they proceed without knowing precisely where he was?
3. All of McCain's answers were consistent with his position as previously stated on the campaign trail, website, etc. This is because he actually believes in his position. (You don't have to think if you don't have to lie.) Obama can't state his true beliefs explicitly, because he's far too liberal for most Americans to accomodate, and he knows it. Nothing McCain said or did explains Barack's tip-toeing around the abortion question ("above my pay grade", having the audacity to misquote Matthew 5 *in front of an evangelical crowd* later on, despite his voting record in favor of partial-birth and *after*-birth abortions), saying his most 'gut-wrenching decision' was voting against the war in Iraq when he didn't actually vote on it at all, etc.
3. The "cone of silence" is a joke from the old Get Smart series. Once again, liberals obviously have no sense of humor.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

MediaWeasel — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:18:33 -0000

D Bower - precisely. McCain wasn't honest about not having been in the anteroom and said nothing about being late. The rules were quite clear.

So he misled the pastor (perhaps), the audience (for sure) and the MSM (for sure) and, thereby, the American people.

He's untruthful and untrustworthy. This is just an example of it.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Scott — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:56:24 -0000

The reason McCain was so quick with the answers is simple. That's the difference between 25 years in the Senate VS. Obama's how many years??

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Ari — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:17:27 -0000

Maybe English is your second language. Or you are angry without a clue. It happens to people that get their facts from friends and don’t spend the time to look under the initial story. (OK, that was pretty angry)

The question about Justices’ was, “which current sitting Supreme Court Justices would you have not nominated” and he listed the liberal judges. In the confirmation proceedings he voted for those justices just as many, many Democrats voted for Roberts and Alito. It use to be that the house would give a good grilling to the justices to verify their qualifications and vote them in almost unanimously. That is a courtesy the politicians have strayed from in a pursuit to select activist or constructionist judges and McCain like many other members of the house still uphold. Go ahead, look it up so you can understand the difference.

When you say he criticized pork barrel spending you pointed to a couple of spending item that were included in “Omnibus Bills” An Omnibus bill is a large bill with very important stuff in it. But it always contains “PORK” small spending items for individual states. You can’t pass the major important bill without approving the porkBy the way, the criticism he was making was aimed at Republican, conservative states, which further illustrates his objectivity and conviction to what is right, not what is expedient.

You go on a lot over McCain’s gaffs. Obama claimed that he will work to lower the abortion rate. And that Bush policy has done nothing to lower the rate. He further claimed that abortion rates have never been higher. The facts are quite different. Abortion rates are the lowest they have been in 10 years. Politicians are human. They all have gaffs and sometimes throw out bad statements. But relishing and focusing on the gaffs that reflect your contempt for Conservative ideas and demonizing McCain to illustrate your point just show weakness in your mastery of the facts.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Ari — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:30:23 -0000

Demonizing Obama or McCain really doesn’t do the debate on abortion any justice. Neither does comparing the tragedy of war with that of abortion. The question asked by Rick Warren, “When does life begin” is the real question on abortion. If you are a Pro Life or Anti Abortion person you clearly believe life begins at conception and the rights of the child begin there also. If you are Pro Choice or Pro abortion you believe the mother chooses when life begins. It is hard to refute that a “woman’s right to chose” clearly means she individually decides if she has a child with rights or a zygote lump of tissue. With all the rhetoric and debate being equal, I will side with caution and say it is a human being, with rights and the “woman’s right to chose” is a right and responsibility best exercised before conception.

As for the proliferation of war, your quoted statistic is widely used and has many permutations. I believe an accurate expression of that statistic is that since the turn of the century there have been approximately 250 armed conflicts. This includes two world wars, a cold war, wars of liberation, genocidal wars, tribal wars, ethnic cleansing wars, internal conflicts and several other minor descriptors of armed conflict. In that span of time the population of the planet has grown from just over 1 billion in 1900, to over 6 billion in 2005. And the concentration of that population around resources is equally startling. No wonder we have more conflict.

I think the subtext of your statement about war is a good one: “when should we get involved in one of these conflicts” If you ask Obama, it is not above his “pay grade” and if you ask McCain, We are liberating the Iraqi people.

Without questioning the motives of either, Obama doesn’t have babies blood on his hands any more than McCain has US soldiers blood on his.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

kay — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:47:33 -0000

Oh please, Pro-Life? I guess McClone's stance is let em live so we can kill them later in wars that shouldn't be fought! Pro-Lifers are the biggest hypocrites, where are you when it comes to the injustice of wars? This administration lied and troops died, youth!!! They won't have babies, get married, civil unions! And your guy who is borderline dementia, who is being propped up by the Repubs, is a walking gaffe machine, the idiot at the forum, named supreme court justices he wants to get rid of he voted for, complained about earmarks about DNA of a bear and a bridge to nowhere (like his brain) he voted for! He and only he can dispel Evil from the earth, brilliant guy eh? 5 million a year income, duh, offers his wife up at Sturgis, leaves the first because she's a cripple now. I mean I can write a book and this is a first paragraph! And I think we underestimate him, he is worse than Bush if that's possible. From 2000 to now, he is debating himself. The guy seriously is in need of a neurospy test. He is NOT ALL THERE! And by the way quick draw McGraw,,, our comeuppance will be in the debates, then I'll thumb my nose at folks like you, we'll prove this guy is far from lucid, he forgets questions asked from the interviewer????!! Let's see how well your Iraq/Afghanistan, sunni/shia, czechoslovakia , 100 yr war, Please,he does not have the mental acuity to be President of nothing other than a Senior retirement community resort residing over the folks in his socio economic sphere making no less than with a 5 million income a year!

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

lorisc — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:12:11 -0000

Anonymous Said,

Yeah, the "choice" to kill an innocent child -- how noble of Obama to support such a "freedom."

While McCain may have cheated on his wife, at least he doesn't have baby blood on his hands.

Anonymous,
Has Obama had an abortion we don't know about? How does he have baby blood on his hands. I know you are all about the rights of the unborn but baby blood from illegal wars doesn't bother you. BTW, I just heard a stat today that should shock some of you. There have been 250 wars in the world since WW2 with 23 million dead. Ninety percent of the casualties are civiilians with 75% being women and children. One hundred years ago 90% of the war casualties were male soldiers. So, you pro lifers aren't pro life when it comes to your wars.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Ari — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:55:23 -0000

Yes, those darn right wingers cheated and had the opportunity to answer 4 questions with the benefit of foreknowledge. And what did they do? They quoted the party line on faith, abortion and their sins of the past. Stunning! What a tremendous edge. But the conspiracy theory does not answer how McCain got the answers to the rest of the questions and was able to outperform O'Bama on every other issue. (Except for the “who is rich” comment) Maybe he had a bug planted and the CIA, with authorization from George Bush, fed him the questions as he went along. Or a microchip that gave him straight forward and unequvocating answers. (If so, please plant one in Obama’s head too)

I think it is very telling that cheating is called upon as the reason for losing to frankness, directness and concrete ideas. And although it is bad form to show up late to a commitment, it is wildly desperate to use lateness as an excuse for Obama’s lack luster command of the very policy he has to carry out as President. I don't want a collegial candidate that dances around issues, I want one that tells me up front what his thoughts are and direction will be. And what does it say about the followers of such a candidate? To me it says you would rather stack assumption atop assumption, and hypothesize the worst about a man instead of rethinking parts of your ideology.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Dan — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:05:20 -0000

You're right, the McCain Campaign should own up to why it was late, i completely agree. But i don't think you can assume anything, especially that he was late on purpose so he could catch the first 30 minutes of questions.

And by the way, democrats is the word you used. I said "left wing attack dogs." I myself am pretty moderate, and am a firm believer that both parties have their attack dogs, and was simply noting the behavior of one, don't worry, i'm sure i'll get a chance to note the behavior of the other. But if you re-read my post, I didn't bash either the candidates or their parties.

So John, twisting my words, clever tactic along with completely ignoring all my initial points and focusing only on the fact that that they happen to call out malicious attacks based only on suspicion, but an adult should know better than to stake his entire argument on an unsubstantiated assumption dot dot dot

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

John Dowd — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:27:44 -0000

So Dan,

More discrediting the democrats for McCain's ethical breach. Interesting tactic, but answer this.

Where was McCain. He knew he was supposed to be incommunicado. I have yet to hear he or his campaign offer an explanation as to why he wasn't at the church. All they have done is attack the reporters who reported (accurately) that he wasn't where.

Was his plane late? Did the motorcade take a wrong turn? Why not just clear it up. Without that all-important explanation one can only assume his absence was deliberate.

Let's all think of a credible reason why he would be outside the 'silent area'? Maybe it was so he obtain advance knowledge of the questions and Obama's answers. No wonder he looked so confidant and answered so crisply. He cheated.

Any 10 year old on the planet knows cheating when he sees it and deliberately not following the rules is cheating. Period.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Dan — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:51:05 -0000

hahaha ohhh the spin!
Didn't somebody notice that McCain wasn't there before they started? HELLO? If those were really the rules, it should have been somebody's job to ensure McCain was in this physical cone of silence built by the church. What’s more likely, is that Cone of silence was a figure of speech and if you watch the video that this author posted, he said Warren believed McCain was sequestered, and so he used that figure of speech to describe him being kept in the dark. If warren is lying, he’s throwing himself under the bus not McCain. Both Candidates did a great job at the forum, and the best the left wing attack dogs can do is cast doubt about whether McCain’s radio was on or off in the car. Somebody call the wambulance.

Re: Spokesman Admits McCain Broke Forum Rules

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:21:05 -0000

I knew at least one liberal would come back with: "but what about Iraq."

Most reasonable, semi-intelligent folks understand the difference between taking a life on purpose (abortion) and by accident or for the preservation of future life (casualties of war). There really is no comparison. Nice try.

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